Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_19AF0E7E-C9D6-44A2-A922-09AD5E9C4DEA" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.6 \(1510\)) Subject: Re: BINGO! X-Universally-Unique-Identifier: b700a359-4818-4d34-8896-96f405883a3d From: Jim Schembs In-Reply-To: <6A86C43AE497D4498816B1F485D891FF9A38FBA7@STNEEX10MB05.stone.ne.gov> Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2015 16:29:18 -0700 Cc: Monika Schoembs , Jacky and Rob Cramb Message-Id: X-Smtp-Server: smtp-mail.outlook.com:jimschembs@hotmail.com References: <6A86C43AE497D4498816B1F485D891FF9A38F992@STNEEX10MB05.stone.ne.gov> <6A86C43AE497D4498816B1F485D891FF9A38FBA7@STNEEX10MB05.stone.ne.gov> To: "Drake, Cindy" --Apple-Mail=_19AF0E7E-C9D6-44A2-A922-09AD5E9C4DEA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 More findings. A woman in Stockville found S. Binger and his daughter = Kathrina in the 1897 and 1901 School Censuses. This ties in with the = 1910 Census and their daughter Kathrina. Good for the cheaper prices. It looks like with today's prices it would = be about $25 for the two rolls of film on interlibrary loan. Since we = have about 8,000 people in our tree (the Descendants of Zacharias = Sch=F6mbs (*1645, +1707), we don't tend to do things that have a price. = But will check in with the Reference Desk next week. It would be fun to = see the Frontier County Faber newspaper and read about the new = Courthouse in 1888. Jim Jim Schembs 480-905-8821 602-432-1978 cell On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, "Drake, Cindy" = wrote: > Cheaper prices for our services begin on Tuesday, November 3. All = references below can be paid with one credit card transaction OR you can = call that day and ask for a price quote to mail a check. Please phone = our L/A Reference Desk (402-471-4751) between the hours of 10-4 (Central = Standard Time), Tuesday through Friday. If you reach their voice mail, = leave only your name, phone number, and mention your e-mail with me. = They will return your call. > =20 > For interlibrary loan services, here is the link on our web site, BUT = the person who answers the L/A Reference Phone may be the same person as = listed as your contact so the arrangements that need to be made might be = told to you at the same time. > http://nebraskahistory.org/lib-arch/services/refrence/loans.htm > =20 > In regard to the obituary, specify the name, location, and date of = death when you call and a price will be quoted to you accordingly. > =20 > We do have an index to the Otoe County Marriage records as well as the = records all on microfilm. You do not have a date for the marriage of = the adopted daughter, but you could have our staff check for her name as = given on the census in the marriage index to see if a record is listed. = Again, a price will be quoted to you since all services need to be paid = in advance. If she was officially adopted, adoption records are sealed = in this State, even for early adoptions. > =20 > Cindy S. Drake > Nebraska History Library Curator > Statewide Cemetery Registry Coordinator > Nebraska State Historical Society > 1500 R Street, P.O. Box 82554 > Lincoln, NE 68501-2554 > > Your Nebraska source for the histories we share > www.nebraskahistory.org > > p: (402) 471-4786 > f: (402) 471-8922 > cindy.drake@nebraska.gov > =20 > From: Jim Schembs [mailto:jimschembs@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Friday, October 30, 2015 9:36 AM > To: Drake, Cindy > Cc: Monika Schoembs; Jacky and Rob Cramb > Subject: Re: BINGO! > =20 > After a good night's sleep I would like to go further with the search. = =20 > =20 > Regarding the local newspaper for Stockville, from the listing you = sent it appears one might be of interest: Frontier County Faber (film = control numbers 0028975 and 0008090). They cover the period of the = building of the Courthouse. How can I pursue an interlibrary loan or = some other way of seeing the film? They must be several articles about = the Courthouse and Sebastian during this period. We should be able to = learn more about Sebastian and get information/pictures of the = Courthouse when it was built. You mention it has been modified since = and therefore is not eligible for the National Register.=20 > =20 > Regarding Sebastian's death, we do know the date from Veterans = Administration records: 24 September 1921 in Nebraska City. It would = be great if your staff could chase down any obituaries or other local = information from the time. > =20 > Regarding the adopted daughter, I have not found any other records = about her as an adult (marriage, children, etc). But will keep trying. = Since her name (per the 1910 Census) is the same as Sebastian's wife, my = guess is that she was adopted as an infant and given the name at that = time. Does that seem reasonable to you? > =20 > I will contact the St. Mary's Cemetery in Nebraska City NE to see if I = can learn anything there, e.g. anybody taking care of their graves. > =20 > Thanks, > =20 > Jim > =20 > =20 > Jim Schembs > 480-905-8821 > 602-432-1978 cell >=20 >=20 > =20 > On Oct 30, 2015, at 6:04 AM, "Drake, Cindy" = wrote: >=20 >=20 > You are absolutely right! I have tried this same technique and been = successful several times in locating =93missing=94 individuals on the = census=85it is a warning I give to researchers on a regular basis = regarding the handwriting and misspellings by census takers and how they = are interpreted by indexers for online indexes. > =20 > Glad that you found additional information (as based on your other = e-mail as well-copied below & attached with outline). I will pass this = information along to my colleague. > =20 > I don=92t believe that any Nebraska City newspapers are indexed online = (or manually) for 1921, but there is a Nebraska City newspaper so you = could pursue looking for an obituary. Based on your outline I am = assuming that you do not have the exact death date? If you locate it = from some other source (death certificate SHOULD be on file at the = Bureau of Vital Statistics-you might mention to them no descendants or = have a closer relative request it), our Reference Staff could see if an = obituary was published in the local newspaper. It is also possible that = the Nebraska City Public Library (that has a local history/genealogy = collection) might have him indexed from a source as well that would = include his exact death date, etc. (perhaps from the cemetery records = themselves). > =20 > I am from the Cass/Otoe County area=85. > =20 > Cindy S. Drake > Nebraska History Library Curator > Statewide Cemetery Registry Coordinator > Nebraska State Historical Society > =20 > From: Jim Schembs [mailto:jimschembs@hotmail.com]=20 > Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 8:57 PM > To: Drake, Cindy; Monika Schoembs; Jacky and Rob Cramb > Subject: BINGO! > =20 > Sometimes you just get lucky. I decided to try again to find a 1900 = or 1910 record for Sebastian and Katharina in Nebraska City. But no = records had appeared on the earlier searches of Nebraska or Amerika. So = I tried just using first names -- left the last names blank. Put in = Nebraska City as the hard location. > =20 > In the 1910 Census they were recorded as RINGER! Or at least the = person digitizing it thought so. And he is a CARPENTER and he emigrated = in 1865. They had been married 38 years with no children of their own. = But they have an adopted 15 year old daughter Katharina whose parents = were German emigrants. The family lived at 2101 Third Avenue in a home = they owned. > =20 > =20 > > =20 > jim > =20 > Jim Schembs > 480-905-8821 > 602-432-1978 cell > Cindy, thank you very much for your inquiries and your suggestions. = Since we spoke I have learned several more things. And hit a couple of = dead ends. =20 > =20 > First I talked with Magistrate Werkmeister who works from the Frontier = County Courthouse today and has for a number of years. He looked = through the probate record card index and found no Bingers. But since = we know Sebastian lived his last years and died in Nebraska City, that = is not surprising. > =20 > I put together an expanded Timeline of the information Monika and I = had found: > =20 > =20 > Sebastian was born in 1842 in Laubenheim, Germany. Laubenheim was a = village next to Mainz. It is now combined with Mainz. Mainz was in the = state of Hessen Darmstadt. > seldom have I seen genealogical records which hang together so well as = with Sebastian. It makes working with the information and drawing = conclusions much easier. > he emigrated in 1865. The passenger list gives the name of his home = town! I don't know if I have ever seen that before. > two years after arriving in Amerika he enlists in the Army - 1867 in = Brooklyn NY. His hometown is Mainz, Prussia. His occupation appears to = be "carpenter" > the enrollment document is updated with his discharge. He is mustered = out in Fort Sedgwick, Colorado. > in 1870 he is working as a "saloon keeper" in Omaha. He is from = Hessen Darmstadt. > in 1872 a Sebastian Binger marries a Katharina Heilchenthal in = Chicago. Per Ancestry and FamilySearch, there were two adult Sebastian = Bingers in Amerika at the time: one in Omaha and the other in Baltimore = MD. > in 1876 in the Omaha City Directory Sebastian Binger is living at 260 = Burt. He is a CARPENTER. > in 1884 he is naturalized in Frontier County > in an 1885 Census he is a farmer in Stockville, Frontier County > in 1885 there is a Document recorded in McCook NE. I thought I had = successfully made a copy of it at the LDS Family History Library today. = Turns out I was not successful. I will return and do it again. =20 > in 1888-89 Sebastian designs and builds the County Courthouse in = Stockville. > in 1890 there is a List of Frontier County Farmers. It includes = Sebastian Binger. > in 1890 there is a Census of Civil War Veterans. It lists Sebastian = Binger in Frontier County > we have found no records between 1890 and 1920 > in 1920 there is a Sebastian Binger, 78 years old (therefore *1842) = living in Nebraska City with his wife Katrina > in 1921 Sebastian Binger dies, his tombstone reads (*1842, 1921) > =20 > I have Links to or images of all the underlined documents above. > =20 > Given these latest documents and the threads running through them, I = am convinced that it is "our" Sebastian who designed and built to e = Frontier County Courthouse. And then died in Nebraska City. I think we = have gone about as far as we need to go. Unfortunately Sebastian and = Katharina apparently did not have children so there are no descendants = to track down. Jacky Cramb (Brisbane, Australia) descends from = Sebastian's older brother who emigrated a few years earlier and, = undoubtedly because we were having a little domestic issue at the time, = decided to emigrate to Australia. > =20 > If you or any of your people would like Links to or copies of some of = the documents, let me know. > =20 > And thanks again. > =20 > jim > =20 >=20 > =20 > --Apple-Mail=_19AF0E7E-C9D6-44A2-A922-09AD5E9C4DEA Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
More findings.  A = woman in Stockville found S. Binger and his daughter Kathrina in the = 1897 and 1901 School Censuses.   This ties in with the 1910 Census = and their daughter Kathrina.

Good for the = cheaper prices.  It looks like with today's prices it would be = about $25 for the two rolls of film on interlibrary loan.  Since we = have about 8,000 people in our tree (the Descendants of Zacharias = Sch=F6mbs (*1645, +1707), we don't tend to do things that have a price. =  But will check in with the Reference Desk next week.  It = would be fun to see the Frontier County Faber newspaper and read about = the new Courthouse in = 1888.

Jim



=
Jim = Schembs
480-905-8821
602-432-1978 = cell



On Oct 30, 2015, at 8:10 AM, "Drake, Cindy" <cindy.drake@nebraska.gov> = wrote:

Cheaper prices for our = services begin on Tuesday, November 3.  All references below can be = paid with one credit card transaction OR you can call that day and ask = for a price quote to mail a check.  Please phone our L/A Reference = Desk (402-471-4751) between the hours of 10-4 (Central Standard Time), = Tuesday through Friday.  If you reach their voice mail, leave only = your name, phone number, and mention your e-mail with me.  They = will return your call.
 
For interlibrary loan services, here is the = link on our web site, BUT the person who answers the L/A Reference Phone = may be the same person as listed as your contact so the arrangements = that need to be made might be told to you at the same = time.
After a good = night's sleep I would like to go further with the search. =  
 
 
Regarding the adopted daughter, I have not found = any other records about her as an adult (marriage, children, etc). =  But will keep trying.  Since her name (per the 1910 Census) = is the same as Sebastian's wife, my guess is that she was adopted as an = infant and given the name at that time.  Does that seem reasonable = to you?
I = will contact the St. Mary's Cemetery in Nebraska City NE to see if I can = learn anything there, e.g. anybody taking care of their = graves.
480-905-8821
602-432-1978 = cell

On = Oct 30, 2015, at 6:04 AM, "Drake, Cindy" <cindy.drake@nebraska.gov> = wrote:
You are absolutely right! I have tried this = same technique and been successful several times in locating =93missing=94= individuals on the census=85it is a warning I give to researchers on a = regular basis regarding the handwriting and misspellings by census = takers and how they are interpreted by indexers for online = indexes.
 
Glad that you found = additional information (as based on your other e-mail as well-copied = below & attached with outline).  I will pass this information = along to my colleague.
I don=92t believe that any Nebraska City = newspapers are indexed online (or manually) for 1921, but there is a = Nebraska City newspaper so you could pursue looking for an = obituary.  Based on your outline I am assuming that you do not have = the exact death date? If you locate it from some other source (death = certificate SHOULD be on file at the Bureau of Vital Statistics-you = might mention to them no descendants or have a closer relative request = it), our Reference Staff could see if an obituary was published in the = local newspaper.  It is also possible that the Nebraska City Public = Library (that has a local history/genealogy collection) might have him = indexed from a source as well that would include his exact death date, = etc. (perhaps from the cemetery records = themselves).
 
I am from the Cass/Otoe = County area=85.
Cindy S. = Drake
Nebraska History Library Curator
Statewide = Cemetery Registry Coordinator
Nebraska State Historical = Society
 
  • seldom have I seen genealogical = records which hang together so well as with Sebastian.  It makes = working with the information and drawing conclusions much = easier.
  • he = emigrated in 1865.  The passenger list gives the name of his home = town!  I don't know if I have ever seen that = before.
  • two = years after arriving in Amerika he enlists in the Army - 1867 in = Brooklyn NY.  His hometown is Mainz, Prussia.  His occupation = appears to be "carpenter"
  • the enrollment document is updated with his = discharge.  He is mustered out in Fort Sedgwick, = Colorado.
  • in 1872 a Sebastian Binger marries a Katharina Heilchenthal in = Chicago.  Per Ancestry and FamilySearch, there were two adult = Sebastian Bingers in Amerika at the time:  one in Omaha and the = other in Baltimore MD.
  • in 1876 in the Omaha City Directory Sebastian = Binger is living at 260 Burt.  He is a = CARPENTER.
  • in an 1885 Census he is a = farmer in Stockville, Frontier County
  • in 1885 there is a Document = recorded in McCook NE.  I thought I had successfully made a copy of = it at the LDS Family History Library today.  Turns out I was not = successful.  I will return and do it again. =  
  • in = 1888-89 Sebastian designs and builds the County Courthouse in = Stockville.
  • in 1890 there is a Census of Civil War Veterans.   It = lists Sebastian Binger in Frontier County
  • we have found no records = between 1890 and 1920
  • in 1920 there is a Sebastian Binger, 78 years old = (therefore *1842) living in Nebraska City with his wife = Katrina
  • in = 1921 Sebastian Binger dies, his tombstone reads (*1842, = 1921)